With the grace of the TV gods we get to watch an all new Community tonight on NBC 7/8c , the horrible nightmare of having no new episodes for months is a distant memory now but the show is not safe yet… that said here is why I think you should cancel all plans sit at home and watch TV tonight ….
1. The exciting synopsis of tonight’s episode “Digital Exploration of Interior Design” : A new Subway shop opens in the cafeteria, and Shirley, Pierce, and Britta attempt to sabotage it. Vice Dean Laybourne returns to try to win Troy over. Troy and Abed build competing blanket forts.
2. We will get a Jeff speech and I guarantee a phenomenal one, Jeff tries to keep the peace between feuding parties.
3. Vice Dean Robert Laybourne makes a comeback and pics show he added something new to his ensemble.
4. The episode is written by one of my favorite Community writer Chris McKenna (the one who wrote Remedial Chaos Theory) promised to be a game-changing episode as Megan Ganz (a Community writer) teased on Twitter posting “If you don’t watch tonight’s COMMUNITY (written by
@cpmckenna), tomorrow when everything in the world is different, you’ll have no idea why.” Whenever Chris McKenna writes I am sold.
5. BLANKET FORT WAR…..need I say more? Fluffy hell will break loose
Reason and logic suggest you don’t miss out on Community tonight, and remember if you watch The Big Bang Theory instead a mermaid will die and a fairy will lose its wings.
This is a “watch or else” kind of situation….We finally have some Community back in our lives and there is no good reason not to watch.Community’s 12th episode comes to your TV (that should be open to NBC even if you are out of the house) at 8/7c.The story is: As the study group returns after winter break, Jeff (Joel McHale) reveals that he’s been seeing a shrink and taking anti-anxiety medication. The newfound confidence leads him to experience debilitating levels of narcissism(if you can imagine a more narcissistic Jeff) , which Britta (Gillian Jacobs) tries to help him manage. Meanwhile, over the break, Abed (Danny Pudi) developed a celebrity impersonator habit that has saddled him with debt. In order to help Abed shed his debt, the study group puts on costumes and goes to work for Vincent (French Stewart) as celebrity impersonators – appearing in character at a Bar Mitzvah celebration.
Not that it is needed but i will give you great reasons to watch tonight’s episode instead of whatever is on TV in that God-forsaken hour
no more reasons should be listed…..This will be on your TV…
2. Britta (Gillian Jacobs) will do a Michael Jackson impression and I bet you she will “britta it”
3. French Stewart (Harry Solomon in 30 rock from the sun) will be guest starring .
4. Many costumes will be involved as the gang impersonate celebrities in a bat mitzvah .
5.The most amazing reaction to anything on TV: Dean Pelton’s (Academy award Winner Jim Rash) reaction to Jeff’s new hot and confident look. A must see,trust me.
This post has no spoilers because I avoided spoilers this week to make tonight more special, I am clueless to the premise and all I know that christmas,singing and Taran Kallim are involved. being a spoiler virgin in this world is not easy specially to an spoiler addict, between the temptations of NBC’s recklessly too revealing spoiler videos (so I am told) and people going crazy on Tumblr I felt all alone and I managed to survive.
This week 8/7c on NBC is the last Community episode of 2011 to be replaced by 30 Rock mid-season and the show is promised to be back “sometime” in the spring . but fear not the show is still being written and filmed, according to @danharmon’s twitter account they are up to writing 315 and NBC has to air all 22 episodes….whenever that time is I will be there.
Community has a great history when it comes to Christmas episodes,”Comparative Religion” and “Abed’s Uncontrollable Christmas“ are absolute masterpieces so if anything in my cloud of ignorance I know for a fact the episode will be brilliant. The cast will sing original songs that are bound to be hilarious and catchy because again history shows how important music is to a show like Community.
To maintain honesty i haven’t ead this I had to copy it blindly from EW because I am as I said trying to avoid spoilers :
When Greendale’s glee club is shut down for copyright infringement before their holiday show, the study group is targeted as their replacement, one by one succumbing to the finger-snapping spirit that spreads like some irony-obliterating virus. The original songs are downright hilarious — especially Alison Brie’s breathy-sexpot baby-talking jingle — and there are some choice broadsides at the Fox series, like jokes about the blatant MacGuffinism of regionals and Jeff’s observation that ”not liking glee club doesn’t make us bullies, and implying that is reverse bullying.
what I can guarantee is some great fun and amazing costumes I don’t know beyond that. Though I don’t celebrate the holiday I’ve always had an appreciation for the magic of the occasion, My Christmas wish is that this episode explodes in ratings to show how much love and support people have for this masterpiece of a show. REMEMBER :8/7c tonight on NBC
I CAN”T WAIT FOR “Regional Holiday Music” Community’s we’ll be back soon sign off.
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let me start by saying that “Foosball And Nocturnal vigilantism” was a great episode, it is as simple as that. it was great writing , great directing and some really great acting. the show is really making a good case for itself and if this season doesn’t get an Emmy recognition I am staging a sit in.
the episode was a weekend episode and i loved that because it makes me feel as if I am taking a look at the study group’s lives outside Greendale which has been set as the domain that held that group together, it offered a peek into what’s it’s like to have Annie as a roommate as she is living with Trobed, her interaction specifically with Troy was the most interesting, Alison Brie killed it as the story of breaking something and trying to replace it has been told to death as Troy points out but this is not Community’s style, first we see Annie professionally lie and staging a break in to convince Abed someone took the DVD and giving Troy a threatening look to cover up her pile of lies, I have to note here that I am rooting for more “Threes company” story lines between those three, they work really well together. Abed dressed as batman as he did in season one in the Halloween episode, an episode that defined Community as a comedy and i feel like this one is defining it again and showing us what season 3 will be all about.though Britta and Pierce laid low for this week it felt like it was for the serves of the episode, the episode was heart felt and sweet and both those characters (who I love to death) bring severity that this episode did not need, so I think it was a creative decision.
Now to the jem of the episode Jeff and Shirley, who would have thought that in any scenario Jeff would be the victim and Shirley would be the bully?! I really felt sorry for Jeff , this season though only in it’s 9th episode has been really hard for the character of Jeff,he has never felt so small and powerless as he did in this episode. some serious acting muscles from Joel McHale and you can see that he is not annoyed by the German “Doeutsch bags ” but them playing foosball made him feel insecure…later it is revealed why.
I am always game for more of Shirley because I think she is great, and her interaction with Jeff was more focused and intense than it was in season 1 because unlike “Social Psychology” the Jeff/Shirley story was not over shadowed by a then really key Jeff is jealous over Britta’s boyfriend. Their collaboration is toxic and evil, it was fun to see Shirley as mentor turned villain and Jeff as the student turned victim. Jeff and Shirley were on opposite sides of defining moments, Jeff a 10m year old neglected child (perhaps poor judging from the outfit) learned how to build walls around himself and not allow anybody in, he learned to preserve his awesomeness as an identity and Shirley learned that her anger is toxic and started to overcompensate by being extra nice.They are both who they are today because of that day. At the end they throw all that baggage away and the embrace each other because we are all the same after all, who they are and whom they were stemed out of insecurity and the desire to be accepted and loved I(a universal plight), they are even not petty enough to give beat the German in a grand triumph, they just let them fight over the ball and go to watch a movie. the last scene where kid Jeff and kid Shirley are walking away felt a little much but it didn’t bother me. It was all just great 🙂
loved the episode and a special nod to the episodes first time writer Chris Kula who captured Greendale magic on his first Community solo try.One more to go December 8th and then…
This week community won 3 covers of TV guide after the fans chose them and this news couldn’t have come in a more befitting timing as on the day of the news at the time the cast members learned that their show is being benched and as they are trying to put on a brave face the jokes and smiles said it all about the broken hearted cast.
It may have seemed like it lately but this not an exclusively Community blog, it just took a while to take in the news because the only show that made me feel as attached as Community does is Friday Night Lights and yes I am starting to think it is me as all shows that i love and feel strongly about seem to be doomed one way or another …(maybe I should go back to watching Glee that show needs to be killed). I will post other stuff I swear
Tonight’s all new Community on NBC 7/8c is promised to be a joy ride and if you have your doubts
you’re dead to me then the followings facts i learned though I am trying my best to avoid spoilers
1. Nick Kroll is going to be Jeff’s German opponent
2. there is a Foosball match
3. Batman Abed makes a come back
4. Yvette Nichole Brown gets some serious screen time
5. Shirley and Jeff bonding time
6. the setting of The Dean and Jeff’s date AKA the mexican restaurant from the mall makes a come back
7. One more episode and then it’s off to God knows when
8.Annie gets caught in a lie
9. we get to see TroBed’s apartment again 🙂 or is it now TroAnBed?!
10. The Big bang Theory and every other show at 7/8c is a rerun so don’t even bother
11. Joel McHale looks seriously hot in this episode.
12. It is Community….why wouldn’t you watch….seriously
This episode couldn’t have come at a better time when all the fans are freaking out about NBC rescheduling of Community.This week’s episode reminds us of why we love Community so much, because it is special and we feel special for watching as if we are all a part of a secret club or as Jeff says in the pilot ” you’ve just stopped being a study group(audience) you’ve become something unstoppable, I hereby pronounce you a Community ” and that is what we the fans are…A Community
This week we got to see all our Greendale favorites back fat Neil,magnitude,Leonard and others.Abed’s camera captures all the story on film and what better person to have an insight than Abed. The episode opens with a dusty commercial from the early 90s that includes Chuck’s Ryan McPartlin and the dean was asked to update and he employs the help of the study group including a reluctant Jeff who’s blackmailed to agree with what I don’t know because it seems like it is something that the study group knows about.
Abed’s tagging (i don’t know what it’s called when someone’s name is written under their footage in a documentary) Pierce Hawthorne: Local Curmudgeon,Troy Barns:Best Friend,Jeff Winger : Former Lawyer,Britta: Anarchist Cat Owner (she will love that), Luis Guzman:president of the ceramics club 1993 ,Leonard: Up and Comer,Shirley Bennett :Moral Compass, Annie Edison: script supervisor( Abed never messes with Annie does he?!) Ben Chang: self proclaimed under-study .
Annie is the script supervisor and as she is describing her job to Abed’s camera please notice the writing on the board behind her where allscheduling is happening in UPPER CASE , this was a detail i loved then again Community is in the details. Jeff is Dean Pelton and to he tries his best to sabotage the commercial by giving a hilarious impression of Dean Pelton while dressed in a bald cap in front of the Luis Guzman statue (how the mainstream audience don’t eat this up is beyond me!) . Troy and Britta are playing diverse students in Greendale and let me stop here and note though I had my doubts in the begining I am loving those Troy and Britta’s awkward crush on each other, who would’ve though you’ll find Britta in the midst of something cute .Pierce is fighting with well..himself as he demands the start treatment…is this a portrayal of what working with Chevy Chase is like?
Jeff’s impression in front of the Luis Guzman statue and his call to his lawyers warning them of the illegal use of Luis Guzman’s image backfires as Guzman calls the dean to appear in his commercial…things go downhill from there.the dean decides to rewrite the script and as Abed points out the dean’s perfectionism is what will cause his downfall.As time passes the commercial deviates from its purpose and becomes and experimental art movie that has no point and the actors are placed in a psychological terror as they try to comply with the deans demands. the setting of shooting in the school made me feels as if we are backstage on the Community set as the creator Dan Harmon strives for the best and driving himself and everyone else insane( especially if he’s working on a themed episode), the scripts keep changing while shooting and the suits keep calling because they are behind schedule and over budget, but the difference here is that the dean comes up with idiocy but Abed the true filmmaker is the one that strikes gold .The Dean’s insanity is coddled by Annie’s strive to be a teacher’s pet, she defends him aggressively and refuses to acknowledge his insanity, loved the scene where he hands her an orange and says “scene four”.
Jeff on the other hand is caught in this insane spiral with everybody else as he is now Dean Pelton, he’s a method actor now and is in his heart a bald man with bald friends “Lights…camera..DEAN” . Jeff’s psychological state is more fragile than ever, he and Annie share that, they are always the fastest ones to snap and crack under pressure of the trivial but when the going gets tough, they are there to take charge. The one who ends the madness though is Britta as she puts a stop to the commercial and demands that the Dean let them go in a great setting of smoke that reminded me of season one The Vampire Diaries…making things intense,.The Dean is left with only his thoughts and Abed’s camera.
Luis Guzman shows up to post-apocalyptic Greendale (boy that show really likes to trash the school) , we haven’t seen the outside campus of Greendale for a while,it is good to remember that there is sun out there.Luis Guzman soon recognizes what’s wrong with the Dean’s vision; the Dean thinks he’s too good for a school full of nitwits and not so many students and he’s ashamed of it. because when you have something special that is rare and precious like a great school or a genre-bending TV show with an amazing cast and crew you should recognize that it is miracle to have that all in one place and you should appreciate it instead of trying to change it appreciate it foe what it is. Luis Guzman says to Dean pelton “This is a special school, you don’t deserve to be here” and as he says that a flyer behind him reads “THE SAFE WAY IS THE BEST WAY” I love that about community and it’s amazing art department. NBC chose the safe way and embraced it’s fear of staying number 4, it thinks it is too good for a low rated show …..Alas
As sad music plays the study group watches a montage of a naked Dean Pelton (Notice the Jeff Winger underwear from the pool table episode in season one),the Dean is covered in the ash of his burnt university degree, Abed points out that story telling is the filmmaker’s choice and sometimes happiness can be found in sadness. On that note the study group horrified by the above mentioned montage decide to embrace dean Pelton and surprisingly Jeff is the one who invites him in as my favorite music from the show plays, I call when Jeff kissed Annie music because I don’t know if it has a name, I was told by a fellow community fan that it is called “Greendale is where I belong” love that music.
This episode was all heart, a kiss from the cast and crew of Community to their fans and a showcase of Jim Rash’s talents, thank you Megan Ganz ( the episode’s writer) for always delivering the best and for loving Community as much as we do. When this episode was written I am not sure how much the writers knew about the rescheduling and I might be reading too much into thing but hey it’s my blog… But seriously how can so much heart and dedication be overlooked? a special nod to the brilliant Joe Russo who directed the episode…my hero
Community is where I belong….
in the midst of all the community rescheduling madness let’s put all the frustration aside and take the time to rejoice in tonight’s all new Community 7/8c on NBC. In this episode entitled “Documentary Filmmaking :Redux” Dean Pelton directs everyonr in a commercial fopr Greendale and the power from being behind the camera goes to his head: When the school board asks Dean Pelton (Jim Rash) to make a new commercial for the school, he enlists the study group to star in his production. As he gets swept away with the project, more of the student body is pulled into the fray, including Magnitude (Luke Youngblood), Fat Neil (Charley Koontz), Garrett (Erik Charles Nielsen), Leonard (Richard Erdman), Star-Burns (Dino Stamatopoulos) and even Greendale alum and genuine celebrity, Luis Guzman (“How to Make it in America”). Meanwhile, Abed (Danny Pudi) films all the activities for a documentary. If I had done my homework right it is possible that in this episode Annie and Jeff pick up on the Troy/Britta chemistry and they do not like it one bit.How does dean Pelton blackmail the study group into participating? the cast is teasing that this episode will be Jim Rash’s (Dean Pelton) Emmy submission. tune in and remember to watch it live , DVR it or buy it on itunes, itunes sales helps shows to stay on the air
#six seasons and a movie
below is a link to Jim Rash’s interview with TVLine regarding this episode and last week’s “Kiss From A Rose’ duet with Joel Mchale if you missed that video please watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DTtMA5xbYs
Here are some pictures from the episode to get you super psyched:
guys look again that is Joel McHale
look who it is !
THIS is giving me a headache.
I thought of posting the minute I heard the news but I couldn’t. NBC’s decision to bench Community and not include it in it’s mid season was tragic.It is in its core a business decision, Community does not have the ratings the network needs but that does not mean people are not watching Community. Community’s audience is mainly young viewers who watch it on Hulu,Netflix and itunes which are not included when the nelson ratings are calculated. Nothing has been set in stone yet NBC did not release a return date for Community but it is probably coming back in the spring maybe sometime in March which for me is an unbearable amount time to wait. The internet is going crazy with this new and if it has any indication it indicates how many fans Community has and even though I am reading those fans (including me) are being called annoying for loving the show TOO MUCH. well, there isn’t too much of love let me tell you that but the fans are so dedicated to the show for a reason, the show takes you into its private world, it is hard to watch Community and not get addicted and attached because of how much attention the show pays to both the joke and the story. this is a show that has a lot of heart, it feels like those people are your family in a world of your own creation. I did not like Community when I first watched it because I did not know any of the actors other than Alison Brie and of course Chevy Chase and i did not finish the pilot because I was watching it while i was attending to a family commitment and escaped to my bedroom to watch it, but a while later I got back to it and watched the first season with appetite,then went back and re watched it. to this day i watch an episode of Community daily and every time I enjoy it more.
there must be people who are O.K about Community, you might not be as crazy as I am about it but is it possible you will allow it fade into TV oblivion? Community is not the type of show the coddles the audience and spells every single details for them, it respects its audience intelligence and even if you are not a TV nerd and you don’t understand some refrences that are made you will still laugh ate the joke because it works on both levels. The cast and crew are committed into making this show their pride work and when watching it you feel that energy and love that the cast and crew has for it’s own show.
I’ve been reading some terrifying and reassuring predictions on the internet, some think show will air it’s 22 episodes then go under, other predict that the show will be dropped by NBC and be picked up by another network or even it’ll go on cable. Some are reassuring themselves with the theory that NBC is benching Community to give Whitney a chance and if it tanks Community will be aired on Wednesdays in a more friendly time slot (it airs 8 pm on a Thursday and competes with The Big Bang Theory,the X Factor and The Vampire Diaries) which is a theory I am good with because Community needs to get away from The Big Bang Theory.
I really hope this is not the beginning of the end for Community because it does not deserve it, it is different from what TV has to offer but not alien and though NBC has backed up this show for 2 seasons I think it just needs to do more. here are some articles and websites that are trying to save Community if you care to take a look and please do.
1. Sign a petition to save the show http://www.save-community.com/
2. A very heart warminmg letter to NBC http://www.aoltv.com/2011/11/15/community-save-greendale-letter-to-nbc/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
3. a photo petiton to save Community http://welovecommunity.tumblr.com/
4. Sign a petition to save the show http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/sixseasonsandamovie/
5. Email NBC to let the network know what you think http://www.nbc.com/contact/general/
I will leave with this, if you make a little effort to save this show you’ll make a lot of people very happy so please help as much as possible to get this show back on the air.
A Community fan who just wants her show back
In tonight’s “Studies In Modern Movement” Annie is moving into Abed and Troy’s apartment and judging by the approch of NBC, writers and cast having the twitter accounts of characters tweet throughout the whole episode I knew that I am about to watch a light hearted, fun episode and I was right. Let me start with comments I read in the A.V Club comments section in their review about Community calling the advertising twitter campaign that NBC initiated cheap and gimmicky,that might be the case (when is advertisement ever not gimmicky?!) I am glad to see that due to lower ratings NBC are getting behind the show and starting to encourage audiences to watch it I don’t care why it’s happening I am just glad that it is.I am mentally prepared to have this show in my life for a long time.Reviews are not raving about this episode which I understand but I think that is because Community has set the bar so high that it’s always compared to its own previous episodes when it can get a B on the AV Club compared to other sitcoms of the night or even the week it gets an A so I stopped paying attention to that grading system and I just enjoy the show for what it is. I might not be a TV analyst/journalist who does this for a living but I know and I love my TV shows , whatever I write are just the opinions of one person who is watching TV and if there is anyone that agrees well great then I am not alone in the world after all ( wow life got dark!) . I needed to get that out of mys system first.
The story is divided into 2 parts in the beginning: Annie and the study group in Annie’s apartment and Jeff’s at the mall. the story is pretty simple, typical sitcom premise appealing to everyone even those who think Community is weird. Annie is warned by Britta regarding the potential of hating Troy and Abed after moving in for finding what’s adorable annoying; she finally does and freaks her out and she tries to act cool and adapt to the new situation, Annie is worried about being uptight which hasn’t been mentioned openly since season one’s sexual awareness episode. She is trying to fit in and we see her insecurities about being in the group as we have seen everybody else’s insecurities throughout the show. Part 2 of the story is Jeff faking sickness to go to the mall and he engages in an elaborate scheme to be believable and subdue Britta’s suspensions employing the help of a Gap saleswoman who later tries to hit on him but he is more aroused by clothes than anything else.
As we all know of Community the stories are never that simple the 2 stories become 4, Jeff and the Dean having a lunch date at the mall, Britta and Shirley taking a ride and picking up a hitchhiker named Jesus,Annie getting acquainted with her living situation with Troy and Abed and Pierce trying to fix up Annie’s apartment for inspection by the super “The Senator”.The stories are all equally funny and all characters get their fair share of the spot light regardless of one story excelling another. Annie and Trobed have it out when she discovers that those morons built a blanket fort for her to sleep in when there is a totally viable bedroom that is being used for virtual adventure, that room really scared me,those guys are inside their heads too much alittle Annie comes in as a big help. Jeff is caught in at the mall by Dean Pelton who is wearing khaki shorts and ends up wearing the same exact outfit as Jeff’s, Jeff is blackmailed into spending the day with Dean Pelton and as funny as that sounds you don’t know the half of it, the day turns into a date, they first go to lunch as Jeff orders for Greg AWWWW, then they go to those karaoke type of things at the mall and sing one of my favorites; Seal’s “A Kiss From A Rose” , though now it’s my favorite for a whole new reason, then Jeff discovers that he is being stalked by Dean Pelton and an interesting piece of information comes to light, Jeff has a therapist?! will we ever see that therapist ?and for how long has he been in therapy?he seemed depressed all he wanted is to be alone for the weekend…that’s sad. will there be a story line that reveals Jeff’s potential depression?
Britta and Shirley are having a fight in the car about religion and it puzzles me why Shirley’s religious beliefs are such a driving power to her story lines as hilarious as it was there must be a better use for Yvette Nichole Brown’s talents. Britta picks up a hitchhiker named Jesus and who he is starts to please and terrify Shirley and Britta as they are both trying to prove a point later they draw the line with racism and they throw him out of the car. Pierce is in Annie’s apartment trying to fix it up as that brilliant someone in the writers room who keeps pitching great ideas would have it Chevy Chase is given enough room to do what he does best , some great physical comedy. Pierce ends up inhaling the toxic fumes of the paint and swimming on the floor in a sea of white paint “This is all gay code”. Pierce is saved by the Super who does not look like a rapist at all, he’s actually nice. Annie comforts Pierce as he leans in for a kiss claiming he has brain damage…
Troy and Abed are distraught by Annie’s ultimatum, the room or her, and with the group’s help they fix up Annie’s new room and decide to give up their room and live in the blanket fort room instead of actually keeping their room and giving the other one that is slightly bigger to Annie… the group gathers in Annie’s little too much pink room for a great study group moment. I love those warm moments between the study group members, it reminds us of why exactly those knuckleheads hang out together. Jeff comes in and admits his lie but not to be a better guy but because he just went through a traumatic experience with the Dean and he figured since he left the Dean in the mall he might as well he puts it out there before Dean Pelton does. Dean Pelton tweets the duet of him and Jeff and the group mocks Jeff as they sing the song. what a great note to end the episode on.
Though the episode is not the best of Community I still think it was pretty great, it had some great heart felt moments and it had some laugh out loud moments. I enjoyed it tremendously and I can’t wait for more Annie and Trobed stories and more and more of Jim Rash’s comedic brilliance, please oh please the powers of comedy give him more story lines with Joel Mchale.
There’s an all new Community tonight at 8 /7c on NBC and if the mere mentioning of a brilliant show as Community is not enough there is some very interesting stories to make you tune in.
In “Studies in Modern Movement” Annie is leaving her apartment over Dildopolis and moving into a more safe neighborhood after being invited by Abed to move into his and Troy’s new apartment to form the new “Three’s Company” (awesome stories ahead alert!). employing the group’s help to assist with the packing Annie moves into Troy and Abed’s apartment, naturally Jeff fakes being sick to avoid helping and is blackmailed by the Dean to spend the day with him in the mall of all places. Annie reconsiders moving in with Troy and Abed after she sees just how much crazy fun they have which can be a nightmare for an obsessive personality like Annie’s. Fans of the show including yours truely are so excited they are trying to make #AnniesMove trend on Twitter to send a message of support for to the show’s creator Dan Harmon and the cast and crew after the crazy speculation of the show’s potential cancellation…God forbid. If you are interseted in joining the trend your help will be much appreciated. below are promotional pics to get you pumped, it sure looks like they are having fun.Will Annie move in with Troy and Abed?what does the dean have over Jeff”s head to blackmail him?how awesome will the episode turn out to be?